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Radio 4,03 Aug 2026,28 mins

SeriesSeries 9

Are we running out of people?

Across the Red Line

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Birth rates in the UK have fallen to their lowest level in decades. Deaths are starting to outnumber births. Some see a slow-burning crisis that threatens the economy and the welfare state. Others say this is not a crisis at all. That in a wealthy, high-consuming country, having fewer children might even be a good thing. Anne McElvoy mediates debate between Paul Morland, a demographer who believes falling birth rates pose a serious risk and we need to act now, and Professor Sarah Harper from the Oxford Population Ageing Unit, who believes we will adapt to a changing world which will include smaller populations. Producer: Lisa Jenkinson

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