Hampden humbling for McLeish's men and Happy Birthday Pat!

It was a miserable night for Scotland as they went down 4-0 at home to Belgium - ruining Pat Nevin's birthday celebrations in the process. He joins Caroline Barker to assess that defeat, and explain why Wales' Ethan Ampadu can achieve anything he wants in the game. And John Murray is with the podcast as England prepare to make their Nations League bow.